If you can't see by now that the evidence we all see that is material, is necessarily filtered through our presupposed faith before there is ever a chance to make decisions on what it means, well, I too am at a loss and repeating myself will do no good I'm sure.
"Bullshit, dishonest, Hypocrite or liar, Evasive dishonest hack, dishonest shits like you, Fuck you, Asshat."
Do you have a presupposition that the god of the Christian bible exists?
If not, do you have reasons for believing that the god of the Christian bible exists?
If yes, what are those reasons?
If those reasons include something other than doing proper statistical analysis on "material" evidence, including direct, indirect, and circumstantial "material" evidence, then what other kinds of reasons do you use? In other words, what is your epistemology? In other words, how is my science incomplete?
When someone (partially) bases their belief in the Christian god on the authenticity of some Christian biblical stories and prophesies, is this using material evidence and proper statistical analysis?
When someone asks for Jesus to show up in Times Square and perform some miracles, is that a different kind of evidence and reasoning than that purportedly use by people who saw Jesus two thousand years ago perform miracles?
When someone asks for Jesus to show up in Times Square and perform some miracles, is that a different kind of evidence and reasoning than that used by people who (partially) base their beliefs on the material stories of the material Christian bible about purported material people two thousand years ago seeing material miracles?
When I say that I approach the evidence with an open mind, with no presupposition for gods and no presupposition against gods, why are you unwilling to accept that? You say that I'm lying or in denial? Are you saying that most/all atheists are lying or in denial? What about people who know about the Christian biblical prophesies, and who are fervent religious believers, but for another god? Surely they are not dismissing your evidence because of a presupposition against god. Or would you argue that they have a presupposition against the Christian god? Does that mean that you don't have any evidence at all for your god because it all requires a presupposition as a starting point? Do you think that everyone who disagrees - including other religious people of other religions - are all liars or in denial? That would be convenient. Everyone who disagrees is (colloquially) insane, and so you don't have to take what they say seriously, eh?
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