DjVortex wrote:referring to the particular example of someone asking someone else for coffee
JDoran wrote:Do you regularly get 3am invitations to the hotel rooms of people you just met for NSA coffee? I thought the whole elevator controversy was silly, but I don't doubt that the guy was hoping to get laid.
DjVortex wrote:Imagine that the situation had been reversed.
In my opinion they should have remained neutral rather than showing such a feminist biases.
JDoran wrote:Let's not, because that wasn't the situation.
Why is it a bias to say that Dawkins is wrong when he was actually wrong?
Lausten wrote:To the double-standard, situational reversal stuff, the hypothetical reactions you mention would be just as stupid as many of the original reactions. Calling a guy a sissy or a homophobe is completely unproductive and beyond anything nearing the point.
people would think like that
you want to believe it just needs more discussion.
It's not the amount of discussion that matters. It's its quality.
Lausten wrote:just saying that "it" never gets discussed and "they" don't talk about "that".
DjVortex wrote:If a man asks a woman "for coffee" at 3am in a hotel elevator, it is immediately assumed by everybody that this man is a sexist pig who just wanted a quickie, without knowing what his true motivations were. As I said, if the genders of the two people had been in any way different, but otherwise the situation would be the same, the average attitude of people hearing the story would be completely different.
DjVortex wrote:I am complaining about prejudice. I am complaining about such a visible organization as TAE showing it.
Then perhaps you should read what I have written more carefully, especially my first post, because you are missing my point.
I am complaining about prejudice. I am complaining about such a visible organization as TAE showing it. The "it doesn't get discussed" was a complete sidetracking. You are for some reason clinging to that one thing and missing my main point.
Lausten wrote:Your labeling of women who ask for respect as "feminist ideologues" is actually worse.
DjVortex wrote:Lausten wrote:
Your labeling of women who ask for respect as "feminist ideologues" is actually worse.
Where have I done that?
DjVortex wrote:I have noticed that The Atheist Experience crew has a very feminist ideology overall. The (perhaps semi-)official stance is that sexism is rampant (or at least somewhat prevalent) among atheist groups (at least in the US), and that it's a big problem that should be solved.
I was slightly appalled by TAE crew's official stance on the "elevatorgate" fiasco. Rather than doing what they should have done, in other words, take a neutral stance, they strongly and unanimously sided with the feminist party. Of course this only fueled the flamewar between the two extreme positions.
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