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Jesus Myth 3.0

Postby Lausten » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:31 pm

I was turned off by Archarya and Atwill and never too comfortable with Robert Price and his comic book comparisons, but new evidence is appearing on the horizon for proof of the non-existence of Jesus. Interesting, and giving hope to all the amateurs out there, is it builds on someone's work from outside the mainstream. http://www.jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/newadvert.htm That work has inspired Richard Carrier who will be releasing On the Historicity of Jesus in February. In advance of that, he is discussing some of these ideas in his usual straight forward way with theists. http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4573/
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Re: Jesus Myth 3.0

Postby ArchAtheistDave » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:00 am

I've been a mythisict since age 11. If someone starts with the supposition that there is no supernatural anything, and understands the lengths people will go through in creating myth for themselves in the late bronze-age and early iron-age, then the idea of Jesus being pure fan-fiction is almost inescapable. I am so looking forward to the completion and release of two projects. The movie from Kraus and Dawkins, and Carrier's book. 2014 is going to be an interesting year for us atheists.

As for the myth-scholars:
Carrier is a genius. That is all that need be said. I am envious of this mans capacity. I'm no slouch myself, but this man's ability to reasaon is amazing to watch in action.

Acharya gets a bad rap because she verbally goes further than her evidence can take her. Now, while discussing myth, this is great stuff. The more ideas about origins the better, especially when someone has a lot of varied knowledge and can try to draw similarities between them. Maybe syncratistic, maybe simply the way human beings think...regardless the similarities are important regardless! The problem with her comes from the unfortunate fact that there are people who still believe these myths, and they object strongly to people pointing out that these are efterall, just myth.

As for Atwill, he's an ass. This is not an ad-hominem because I am not using my opinion as a debate point. He just goes way too far in trying to read in-between the lines. He's worse than the NT writers mining the OT for 'new prophesy' and basic story material. It seems to me that if any part of Atwills elaborate assertions are not correct almost his entire house of cards falls apart.

R.M.Price is a really interesting character. He's very well read, articulate, and free with his time doing the Bible Geek on a donations-only basis. Don't let his corny accents or comparing Jesus to Martian Manhunter deter you. Comics serve some of the same functions that myth was used for back in the day, and as I said at with Acharya: where ancient myth is concerned we will almost certainly never be 100% sure about anything so the more ideas from people who have read the material the better!
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Re: Jesus Myth 3.0

Postby EnlightenmentLiberal » Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:00 am

ArchAtheistDave wrote:If someone starts with the supposition that there is no supernatural anything, [...] then the idea of Jesus being pure fan-fiction is almost inescapable.

Surely you mean something like "If someone does not start with the presupposition that there's some supernatural stuff", right? You should reach "there is no supernatural stuff" from the evidence - not as an assumed conclusion.
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Re: Jesus Myth 3.0

Postby dobbie » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:33 am

ArchAtheistDave wrote:If someone starts with the supposition that there is no supernatural anything ...

I might move a mite off topic here, but ...

I think it's realistic to say that, although a person can suppose the reality of the supernatural, the belief in it still can't assure supernatural activities ever took place in the Gospel. Nor, for that matter, can such a belief assure that they happened in any Bible book.

Hence, even though working with a supposition that the supernatural is real, Bible theists still have their work cut out to demonstrate the reality of it as related in the Bible.
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Re: Jesus Myth 3.0

Postby Lausten » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:22 pm

ArchAtheistDave wrote:Don't let his corny accents or comparing Jesus to Martian Manhunter deter you.

Are you kidding, that's why I listen him!

I just find his comparison a little weak. He can go into great detail, but the argument is just a skeleton; comic books work like this, here's what they did in the ancient near east, see, they're the same. Unless you actually delve into what the myth is trying to do, why they choose those particular characters, who they were trying to reach, what affect they had on the populous, then it doesn't have much value. Maybe he does this in his books, but he hasn't impressed me enough in interviews to want to buy one.
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Re: Jesus Myth 3.0

Postby erisian » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:54 pm

IMVHO this week Yashua Ben Merriam or Har Nazar was a long-haired radical socialist Reform Rabbi who tried to incorporate eastern and shamanistic teachings he picked up in his travels between his late teens and twenties. He advocated developing a personal relationship with God, free food for the poor, free education for all, free access to health care, sharing what the community has with all members equally, tolerance, and altering your perceptions of reality in order to better understand it.
Jesus the Christ is a legend created by the Flavian dynasty in the reign of Vespasian and Titus (from 70 CE onward) with help from their pet Jew Josephus based on even earlier Man/God mythology (Hindu/Sumerian/Egyptian ) to fit him into their belief system, to pacify Judea and use a distorted version of his ideas to control the rest of the world. Saul of tarsus (Paul) was IMVHO a gay temporal lobe epileptic. He was able to usurp the movement after the Romans sacked Jerusalem and killed the leaders who actually knew the long-haired radical socialist Reform Rabbi
Imposition of order = escalation of disorder
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